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so our next talk is with steven schwartz

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it's intention as a variable in

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non-local consciousness research

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really interesting title stephen i'm

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really interested to hear what you have

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to say tonight thank you for joining us

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okay well let me get started

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um

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i need to say from the beginning that

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i'm an experimentalist

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what i know is based entirely on

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objectively verifiable data

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i'm not a theoretician i'm not a

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philosopher

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what shapes my thinking is impeccably

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conducted research

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and precisely for those reasons i cannot

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answer what i think are the two most

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important questions in non-local

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consciousness research what is

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consciousness and what is information

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and i do not know what consciousness is

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nor do i know what information is and as

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far as i can tell neither does anyone

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else

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at least not in a fact-based way

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but what i can discuss with some

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certitude is how consciousness operates

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and how

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certain variables can be manipulated in

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the

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development of your research protocols

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that will improve the ability to access

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non-local consciousness and increase the

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quality of what you do get

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the experimental data i think has given

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us three variables we can manipulate and

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therefore improve the linkage

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luminosity

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entropic process

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and the intensity of emotion as a factor

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of intention

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there's nothing abstract about this it's

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not speculative hand waving

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all three would require not a paper but

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a book

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so in this insta in this instance this

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presentation i'm going to focus on

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intention

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search terms and doing a google search

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it creates a non-local information

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linkage

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no i have no idea what the elements of

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the process are but i do know from

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experimental evidence that it is outside

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of space-time and neither distance nor

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time attenuates it

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the key to accessing the non-local based

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on the research

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is the ability to attain and sustain

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intention-focused awareness that's why

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meditators routinely do better than

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non-meditators

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doing this places the normally

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overwhelming flood of sensorial stimulus

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and mentation that it creates i'm cold

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i'm hot boy these ribs were great for

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dinner why doesn't that person shut up

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into the background and allows one to

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open to the non-local aspect of

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consciousness

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always present but mostly submerged in

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this sensorium that dominates what we

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call thinking most of the time

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that's why as i say meditators routinely

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do better at non-local tasks than

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non-meditators

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meditators have developed the discipline

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of quieting themselves and opening to

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the non-local aspect of consciousness

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holding intention experiments show can

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also change both the physical reality as

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well as the subjective aesthetic reality

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of an object person or place

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the data shows the effect can be

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manifested both locally and non-locally

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which suggests it is fundamentally a

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non-local alteration of the intention

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targets information architecture so let

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me i want to talk about the research

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that got me to thinking this way

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so here are some examples i'll start

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with one of my own intentional studies

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and it's demonstration of a physical

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this was a water experiment where we had

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out of gases so that it was ultra ultra

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and these bottles were were taped to the

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hands of healers

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who were doing healing everything from

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evangelical christianity to channeling

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and uh they did so for five minutes 10

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minutes 15 minutes with a different

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bottle five-minute bottle 10-minute

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study presents uh presented 14 cases

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involving 14 practitioners and 14

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the first hypothesis that the variation

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in the spectra of all that is that we

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that there would be a change a

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bonding relationship of the water

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and in fact treated spectra compared

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spaces become spiritual spaces or

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would be a change was confirmed

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be the better way to go if anybody wants

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did not confirm so whatever it is that's

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the time the change of time doesn't seem

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to make any difference

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then i want to look at uh beginning in

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1994 an independent japanese researcher

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mazuru omoto who's known to most of you

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had the idea to freeze double distilled

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the water and observe it through a

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various stimuli to which the water was

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exposed would change people's aesthetic

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pictures he played music to the water he

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awareness using a ritual of prayer

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this research however was controversial

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could improve the problem of the

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protocol and what caused the criticism

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his hypothesis was that the water

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treated with intention can affect ice

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the group was unaware that similar water

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water samples were blindly identified

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resulting images were blindly assessed

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for aesthetic appeal by a hundred

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that we see a commensurate aesthetic

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of 12 experiments to assess whether

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consciousness and basically what i would

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different wines they were in fact the

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prove that focused intention can alter

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of a substance but this experi by itself

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dean rayden led a team that did

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something similar to the wine study in

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which chocolate was the focus of the

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intention and they described their

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protocol it's easy to see the parallels

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individuals were assigned to one of four

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groups and asked to record their mood

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of mood states for days three and four

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and five each for each person consumed a

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half an ounce of dark chocolate twice a

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day at prescribed times

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three groups blindly received the

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chocolate that had been in

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the focus of intentioned

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awareness by a group of monks

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and were treated by three different

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techniques

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the intention in each case was that the

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people who ate the chocolate would

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experience an enhanced sense of energy

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vigor and well-being

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the fourth group blindly received

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untreated chocolate as a kind of placebo

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control

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the hypothesis was that the mood

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reported during the three days of eating

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chocolate would improve more in in the

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intention groups than in the control

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groups

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and the results closely aligned with

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that on the third day of eating the

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chocolate mood had improved

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significantly

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in the intention conditions

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that as compared to the control

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conditions p equals 0.04

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analysis in a planned subset of

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individuals who habitually consumed less

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than the grand mean of 3.2 ounces of

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chocolate per week showed a stronger

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and increased vigor p equals 0.002

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declining fatigue

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six years later young zhong shai

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i'm sure i'm mispronouncing that

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at the

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national

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ke o hai song normal university in

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taiwan assisted by raiden carried out

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another study

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paralleling the wine study

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in this case they had

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oolong tea

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that they drank in the morning and in

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the afternoon and one randomly grouped

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was received tea that had been

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intentionally treated by three buddhist

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the other group blindly received

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untreated tea from the same source on

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the last day of the test each person

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indicated what type of tea he or she

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believed he had been drinking

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once again the change was subjective

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aesthetic judgment

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i think this is very important not a

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physical change but an aesthetic change

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and how did that come out

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those who drank treated tea water

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drink treated tea showed a greater

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increase in mood than those who drank

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untreated tea

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change in mood and those that believed

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they were drinking treated tea was much

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better than those who did not uh p

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equals 0.0002

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two-tailed

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so we now have two bodies of research

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one is described here the ability of

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intention-focused awareness to produce a

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non-local perturbation effect on the

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water that's the water studies which

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showed a change in the molecular

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structure of the water and also a series

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of studies that look at

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the um

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uh control

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uh

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by

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uh aesthetic judgment

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so

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um

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if we go on

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i can only touch a little bit of this

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research

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it it's clear that it works both ways

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in 1968 research physician jean-barry at

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the institute metaphysique

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carried out an experiment using violent

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tooth fungus cultures which had been

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cultivated under optimal conditions 10

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petri dishes with the culture for each

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participant in all a total of 195 dishes

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of that total 151 of the cultures in the

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dishes

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that were

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the focus of negative intention showed

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inhibited growth

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there were 10 percent participants each

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of whom carried out nine sessions

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expressing therapeutic intention

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and as i said the task was to inhibit

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the growth of fungus cultures

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and to do this they concentrated for 15

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minutes from a distance of about four

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feet away

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never touching the cultures of 194

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dishes as i said 151 showed returning

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growth

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so this

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process of intention

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not only seems to have the ability to

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change physical structure but also the

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way something is perceived

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and i think that's a very important

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point

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perhaps because of that you could

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although i've never been tested in

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humans you can see how the religious

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idea of hexes and evil eyes

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is

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that has developed in many cultures

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across millennia

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may in fact be a result of this kind of

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um

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let me see how much time i have here

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because i have way more research than i

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have time for

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you you have about 10 minutes at least

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10 minutes okay well let me keep going

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all right

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um

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well let me turn to uh uh

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things that are even more of strange you

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would think and that is

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um

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can you literally change the way a word

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or the writing of a word can make a

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difference by focusing

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therapeutic intention or or in intention

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perturbation

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it's i want to present there are eight

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experiments that have been carried out

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dealing with this at different times by

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different researchers

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five of them involved a prediction of

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improved memory

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one involved improved confidence and one

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involved a greater sense of spirit for

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real versus fake words they all focused

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on a model of consciousness that was

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originally employed uh reported by

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british biologist rupert sheldrake who

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called it morphogeomorphic resonance

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the first test involves memorization of

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a nursery rhyme in japanese by

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non-japanese speakers

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one is a real nursery rhyme one was a

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real nursery rhyme two were meaningless

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collections of japanese words then the

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participants in the uk and the us a were

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asked which they could remember better

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predicting that the real nursery rhyme

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would be easier to remember

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than the uh fake one and that in fact

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turned out to be true

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and highly significant according to

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sheldrake

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the second test was reported by gary

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schwartz who was then at yale a yale

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professor of psychology now at the

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university of arizona

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and schwartz used no kin by the way

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schwartz used 48 three-letter hebrew

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words from the old testament

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of which 24 were common words and 24

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were rare words that is they weren't

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used very frequently for each of those

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words he produced a meaningless anagram

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by scrambling the letters thus producing

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a total of 96 words

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participants who did not know hebrew

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were shown the words one by one and

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asked to guess their meaning by writing

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down the first english word that came to

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mind they were also asked to estimate

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their confidence in their guess

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he found on average that the group of 90

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participants were significantly more

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confident about their guesses when

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viewing real words that scrambled words

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even though they did not know that some

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of the words were real and some of them

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were false

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a third test

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was reported by alan pickering a

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psychologist specializing in cognitive

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psychology he was a lecturer at hatfield

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polytech now the university of

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herefordshire

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in england and like gary schwartz's

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experiment pickering used real and

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scrambled words

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in this study they were drawn in persian

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script participants were shown a word of

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10 sec for 10 seconds then asked to draw

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it independent judges were evalu

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evaluated the reproductions without

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knowing which words were real and which

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words were scrambled the judges assessed

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that the real words were reproduced

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significantly more accurately than the

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false words and this finding was later

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successfully repeated in students

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in student projects using persian and

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arabic words

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a fourth study was carried out by arden

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mahlberg an american psychologist at the

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integral psychology center

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mallberg took a different tack instead

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of language what he did was create

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morris code real morris code words

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and a

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fake morris code words everybody

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you don't hear much about morris code

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anymore but it's get uh little dits

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little dots and dashes

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and um

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he created both real words and fake

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words and the

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protocol was comparison of the ability

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to learn the fake and the genuine words

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and on average

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participants learned the real morse code

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significantly more accurately accurately

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and quicker than they learned the fake

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code

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fifth and sixth studies were carried out

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by uh german psychology professor sweet

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beard erkel university of gottingen

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airtel tested

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recognition of hiragana a phonetic form

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of japanese writing

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and predicted that these characters

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would be recognized better when they

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were right side up than when they were

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upside down

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and that would conform with

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the sheldrick's idea of the this morphic

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resonance

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and what he found in the experiments was

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that the real characters were remembered

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better than the fake

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erdog then ran additional complex tests

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which resulted in ambiguous outcomes

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so i could go on and on there are a

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number of these studies but the takeaway

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from all of this research

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is that intentioned awareness

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has the capacity to uh to produce in an

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objectively measurable way

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both

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physical changes

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changes in the water structure for

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instance

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or aesthetic

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changes or comprehension changes or

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memory changes

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so clearly when we are designing

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experiments that involve non-local

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consciousness

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we want to use people who have the

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ability to attain and sustain

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intentioned focused awareness

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so that that group of people is

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more capable of attaining and sustaining

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intentioned awareness than

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non-meditators

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and that when we do this and we use

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these people

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we are likely to get better research

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outcomes

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and i think that's all my time and thank

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thank you stephen

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that was uh is really i really enjoy the

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way that you're able to take this whole

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myriad of different studies and bring it

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all together for a thesis like this i

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think it's a really wonderful uh ability

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you have and it's it's just been very

581
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,720
enjoyable listening to you

582
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:50,320
there were a few questions if anybody

583
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:51,760
else has questions you're welcome to put

584
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,960
them in the chat

585
00:22:55,470 --> 00:22:54,159
i was wondering if you could talk a

586
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,480
little you're talking about

587
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,919
intention-focused awareness

588
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:00,159
i was wondering how you might define

589
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,760
that as different than than just focus

590
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,760
for example we talk about numerous

591
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,679
targets often

592
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:09,120
when we're talking about the

593
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,400
trying to get targets that are going to

594
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:12,000
get people's attention

595
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,080
and they tend to have focus

596
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:16,080
whether it's good or bad or whatever the

597
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:17,679
intention might be i was wondering if

598
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,799
you could talk a little bit about the

599
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:20,159
difference between what you're talking

600
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:21,520
about in that

601
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:23,039
well what you're describing is

602
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:24,960
luminosity

603
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,720
late 19th century but the interpretation

604
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:31,919
of it that

605
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:35,600
most people use today is from carl jung

606
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,080
jung said and this is a quote

607
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:40,240
numena by which i think he needs

608
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:41,600
information

609
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:44,080
are psychic entia

610
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:48,559
they exist outside of space and time

611
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,360
so he is addressing what i believe is

612
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:53,360
correct and that is that

613
00:24:02,230 --> 00:23:57,120
non-local consciousness is a

614
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:02,240
a series of architectures of information

615
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,279
and acts of information and for instance

616
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,360
in remote viewing

617
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,440
we know from the research

618
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:11,919
that it is easier for a remote viewer to

619
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,640
see shorter cathedral than it is a

620
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:16,720
french warehouse of the same physical

621
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,520
size now why is that

622
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,360
the answer i think is that from the

623
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:23,360
moment it was conceived of

624
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:25,600
chartres cathedral has been the focus of

625
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,159
intentioned emotionally charged

626
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,159
consciousness

627
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:32,960
i mean it's millions of people over the

628
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:35,919
centuries have contributed to this

629
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,840
so it is highly numinous in jung's terms

630
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,600
whereas nobody pays any attention to

631
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:43,600
warehouses

632
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:44,640
and so

633
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:45,440
um

634
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:47,679
when you construct for instance a remote

635
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,720
viewing target set target pool

636
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,320
you want to be sure that you're not

637
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,480
putting in targets that are highly

638
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:56,799
numinous

639
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:57,760
and

640
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:59,919
trying to match them up against targets

641
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,320
that are not because what will happen is

642
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:04,320
you will get and that's exactly what we

643
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,279
observe

644
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,760
you will get displacement

645
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,840
now the same thing is true of entropy i

646
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,520
didn't get into that because i only have

647
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:13,200
a limited amount of time but for

648
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:16,400
instance if you show remote viewers a

649
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:17,600
picture of

650
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,080
or the target let's put it that way

651
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,720
if if and these are all triple blind by

652
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,640
the way experiments that is

653
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:26,640
john i'm going to show you a target in

654
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,760
an hour

655
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,679
would you please describe it for me now

656
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:31,840
at the time that i'm asking you and that

657
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:34,080
you're giving me answers there is no

658
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:35,760
target at least not one that's been

659
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,039
selected because that happens after i

660
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:41,279
have collected your data and it's done

661
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,240
by random number generators so if you

662
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,880
have two carrier nuclear two carrier

663
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,880
aircraft carriers one of which is

664
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,640
nuclear powered and one of which is

665
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,799
petroleum powered

666
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,039
we know from the research

667
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:57,679
that the nuclear-powered

668
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,480
carrier will be more easily seen by the

669
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,840
remote viewers

670
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:02,880
than the

671
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,600
uh petroleum one why is that

672
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:07,600
because when you go back and look at the

673
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:10,880
data what is catching their attention is

674
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,159
the entropic process of the nuclear

675
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:17,200
activity they say things like

676
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:20,400
oh this is a great big metal box

677
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:21,679
huge

678
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,480
and inside of it is a little star or

679
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,720
there's a little sun inside

680
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,039
or there's something incredibly hot and

681
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:30,480
dangerous

682
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:33,279
that is the source of the power

683
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:35,919
and whereas you don't see that because

684
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:38,400
everybody's used to seeing uh

685
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,600
diesel-powered engines but we don't see

686
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,159
don't get close to nuclear-powered

687
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:46,240
reactors very often

688
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:49,279
so we know from the research that uh

689
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:52,320
remote viewing research that luminosity

690
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,360
that is

691
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:55,760
increased

692
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,480
numbers of individual acts of intention

693
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,799
awareness

694
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:02,720
heighten this numenosity because they

695
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:06,000
are informational enrichers

696
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:07,520
things which have

697
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,400
a higher entropic process

698
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,360
are also easier to see ed may did a very

699
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:15,679
interesting experiment involving liquid

700
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,320
nitrogen

701
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:20,559
and uh

702
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:24,000
when we work with people who are able to

703
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:27,679
hold intention and by by what i mean by

704
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,799
intentioned awareness is not only

705
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:32,559
that you are

706
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,520
reaching a state of single-minded focus

707
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:37,760
but also that you're doing so with an

708
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,720
intention because the intention is like

709
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:43,120
a google search term you know you go you

710
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,480
go into google and you search john cruth

711
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:49,039
and uh that's your intention

712
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:52,000
and that's what comes up on the website

713
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:55,360
all those citations of you

714
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:58,000
whereas if you were just holding an

715
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,640
intention consciousness i i i a

716
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:02,399
single-minded consciousness but with no

717
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,679
intention

718
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:05,840
and that's why meditation

719
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:08,559
is taught in martial art dojos in japan

720
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:11,840
or tibetan monasteries or buddhist

721
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:15,440
temples or catholic seminaries that's

722
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,399
why

723
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:18,960
uh meditation is such a strongly

724
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,000
correlated aspect of religion

725
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,760
when you strip away the dogmen i'm going

726
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,240
to say a lot more about this tomorrow

727
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,080
but you know when you strip away the

728
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,159
dogmas and the scriptures and all that

729
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,159
and you just deal with these as

730
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:34,799
empirically developed sciences

731
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,279
you see that people have understood for

732
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:39,840
a long time that the key

733
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,640
to opening to non-local consciousness is

734
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:44,640
the ability to hold

735
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:51,350
well thank you and i know if you do

736
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,960
google search with my name you're

737
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,399
actually going to get a folk musician

738
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:55,919
from milwaukee but that's all right we

739
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:56,720
can

740
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,590
stephen you're bringing so many

741
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:03,039
questions in my mind but i have to put

742
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,559
my questions aside because there's other

743
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:06,240
questions that have come up and one of

744
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,600
them was related to um whether

745
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:11,120
you talked about this study where people

746
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,880
were trying to the cell growth

747
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:14,799
from a distance and how effective that

748
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,520
was could people also cause harm or

749
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:19,200
injury to a person with this type of

750
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,480
focused attention

751
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,840
yes that's so

752
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:24,000
mentally spirit goats kind of kind of

753
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,600
idea yeah that's a jean-baris

754
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:29,200
experim

755
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:30,880
my timer is telling me

756
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,159
uh that's was john barry's experiment he

757
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,320
had this these fungus

758
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:39,279
and he had people focus now in another

759
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,559
experiment

760
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,279
uh one for instance that was done using

761
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,840
um hemoglobin

762
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:47,600
they uh

763
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,240
uh you could some

764
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,320
people let me reframe it

765
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,720
an experiment involving hemoglobin

766
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,000
samples

767
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,720
individuals who were asked to

768
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:00,880
focus good intention

769
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,080
produced a significant result

770
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,320
and people who were asked to produce a

771
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,039
negative intention also produced a

772
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,600
significant result and that's why i

773
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:13,600
think you know i

774
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,880
i look at all of this research that i do

775
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,120
not only at the individual sort of

776
00:30:22,909 --> 00:30:20,960
laboratory level or even in the

777
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:22,919
archaeological projects

778
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,440
multi-disciplinary level but i also look

779
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,000
at it at the cultural level

780
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,000
because these things that we are

781
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:32,080
studying

782
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,470
okay

783
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:38,880
somebody got it anyway

784
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,960
these things that we study

785
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,760
uh

786
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:43,440
those of us that are doing non-local

787
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:46,480
consciousness research

788
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,520
have cultural manifestations

789
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,279
and we don't talk about that very much

790
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:53,440
or hardly at all in fact

791
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,320
but in fact if you look at the

792
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,880
at the results of non-local

793
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,640
consciousness research published in

794
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,480
thousands of studies

795
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,200
what you see over and over again are

796
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,080
little details which are reflected at a

797
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,799
much larger level in the culture at

798
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:12,080
large

799
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:13,440
as i said

800
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:14,399
why

801
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,200
do religions all over the world

802
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:19,760
regardless of whatever their particular

803
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,360
dogma is teach meditation

804
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,200
and the answer is because it has been

805
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,000
observed over thousands of years

806
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:30,880
that when you meditate

807
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:33,840
you open to this other aspect of your

808
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,279
consciousness which is normally

809
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:37,919
overwhelmed by the

810
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,240
neuroanatomy and the sense impressions

811
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,240
that are being produced

812
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:44,240
if you look at for instance the

813
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,679
relationship between moments of genius

814
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:49,440
by scientists

815
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,799
or

816
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:53,200
moments of transcendent transcendent

817
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,720
experiences by spiritual pilgrims or

818
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,480
remote viewers who are describing

819
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,960
teacups in a closet somewhere on the

820
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,360
other side of the planet

821
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,519
what you see in their descriptions of

822
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:07,760
what they're experiencing is the same

823
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:08,640
thing

824
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,840
it's modulated by context that is

825
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,519
scientists want to see

826
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:15,840
insights into how the world works that's

827
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,480
what they experienced spiritual pilgrims

828
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,480
want to have a transcendental experience

829
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:22,640
that's what they experienced and the

830
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:25,840
teacup describing remote viewers

831
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:28,880
are that's what they're doing so context

832
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:30,880
and intention

833
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,320
is what modulates the experience of

834
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:36,320
non-local consciousness

835
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:39,120
that you have

836
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:40,720
well don't tell us your whole talk

837
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:43,440
you're going to do tomorrow

838
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,799
we'll cover that

839
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,880
but you know there were some uh there

840
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,279
was a question related to um you know

841
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:51,440
the the massimoto study you talked about

842
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,720
with water

843
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:54,000
where um

844
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,760
where he was having people freeze water

845
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:57,840
and then looking at their subjective a

846
00:33:02,149 --> 00:32:59,919
subjective response to the water and

847
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,159
whether people thought it was better or

848
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:04,080
whether they liked it more and the same

849
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:05,600
thing with the different characters that

850
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,880
you were looking at

851
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:09,120
this seems to this type of thing i love

852
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,320
but it does seem to be open and open to

853
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,120
um criticism from skeptics who might say

854
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,880
the subjective experience doesn't really

855
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,799
carry the same weight as having

856
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,720
something more quantifiable do you know

857
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:22,240
of any studies that have done things

858
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:25,039
more quantifiable oh yes i just didn't

859
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,640
have enough time

860
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,559
i have i have about eight more

861
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:30,240
experiments that i was going to go

862
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,279
through

863
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,760
but you know i had 28 minutes so that's

864
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:35,120
what i did

865
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,080
yes

866
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,880
there are a number of studies let me

867
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,640
let me very quickly i'll just give you

868
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,960
some names you can go do your own google

869
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,559
well if you can do if you can give us

870
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,559
one that kind of well i'll tell you i'll

871
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,480
do better than that i'll

872
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:50,880
i will send you the paper

873
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:54,000
and um anybody who is interested can

874
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:55,840
download the paper

875
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:58,240
actually it's already there you can go

876
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,279
well no it's already at academia.edu in

877
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,600
researchgate but i will send it to you

878
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:06,240
john and you can send it out to anybody

879
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,600
who's interested

880
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:09,760
uh in the audience that's listening to

881
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:10,639
this

882
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,520
because yes there is a whole bunch more

883
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,760
research i just didn't have time to get

884
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,040
to it

885
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:19,119
that make this clear

886
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:23,119
that that these kinds of changes

887
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:25,040
that are witnessed

888
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:26,720
and that are thought of oh well you

889
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:30,560
can't really evaluate that but in fact

890
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,359
researchers have taken aspects of that

891
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,159
and done very careful research

892
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:38,560
and have given us objectively measurable

893
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,679
outcomes

894
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,839
that take it out of the oh well that's

895
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:43,760
just you know who knows

896
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:46,720
um as i said i'm an experimentalist i am

897
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:50,399
a data person i only care about data and

898
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,520
um and there is quite a lot of it and it

899
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:56,240
directly addresses a great deal about

900
00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:59,680
how our culture is formed

901
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:01,920
so stephen what i might recommend is if

902
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:04,079
you have a bit of a bibliography or

903
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:05,839
something that you that you wanted to

904
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:06,640
share

905
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,200
you could post it in the forums or if

906
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,280
you felt like you wanted to send it to

907
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:13,200
me i could post it in the forums for

908
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,800
people to access

909
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,720
rather than people contacting me

910
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,839
directly

911
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:19,680
it's a much easier since we already have

912
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,160
this this avenue to send it out let me

913
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,240
send because i don't know how to do that

914
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,000
i mean i'm not sure how to do it and i

915
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,160
don't want to screw things up let me

916
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,000
send it to you john you put it up i'm

917
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:32,480
going to send you the paper that was the

918
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:34,960
subject of this presentation

919
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,599
and you put it up it's fully documented

920
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,599
it gives you all the citations there's

921
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,240
about 40 or 50 citations

922
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:44,240
and it'll give you lots of weeks of

923
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,839
things to read

924
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,079
great send me the link and i can post

925
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,200
the link and let people get to it um so

926
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,520
so one our good friend roger nelson

927
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,079
asked can you use this to mitigate the

928
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,800
effect of oligarchs

929
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,640
um yes

930
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,800
absolutely you can

931
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,800
i wrote a book called the eight laws of

932
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,000
change

933
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,560
which is exactly about that

934
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:10,960
we know from research done at van

935
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,079
rensler polytech for instance

936
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,079
and i by the way i didn't have time to

937
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,720
get to rogers very important experiment

938
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,560
just because you know i just didn't have

939
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,960
the time but in any case just to answer

940
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:24,880
directly his question

941
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:27,040
we know that when 10

942
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,800
of any cohort

943
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,960
whether it's a school committee a church

944
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,280
group a boy scout group

945
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:35,680
or a nation

946
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:38,880
changes in consciousness

947
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:42,160
that the whole cohort of the nation

948
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,680
as an example

949
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,760
has to change to accommodate for it and

950
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,599
i will give you some very specific

951
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,440
examples

952
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,839
you and i and roger and many others who

953
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:53,599
are watching this

954
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:56,720
remember that when we were young people

955
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,760
and you went over to somebody's house

956
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,160
there was an ashtray and a pack of

957
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:04,160
cigarettes and one of those lighters

958
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,359
your mother told you not to fool with

959
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:10,000
on the coffee table in the living room

960
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,920
you don't see that anymore

961
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:14,000
now why is that

962
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:17,200
it speak did somebody pass a law saying

963
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,720
it's illegal

964
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,040
did the president get on television and

965
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:23,839
tell everybody not to do that no

966
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:26,160
what happened was scientists who did

967
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:29,440
research on what tobacco did to people

968
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,240
reported it and enough people heard that

969
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,960
that they stopped smoking and therefore

970
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,599
the whole cohort changed i'll give you

971
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:41,280
another example i'll give you two more

972
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,359
examples

973
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:45,440
about three years ago and you can check

974
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,079
this doing a google word search

975
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,320
where they keep track of how many times

976
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,720
a particular word is searched

977
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,280
if you look back about three years ago

978
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,920
maybe three and a half years now

979
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:00,000
gay

980
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:05,359
changed to lgbt and then to lgbtq

981
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:08,240
now again did somebody in a public

982
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,280
office

983
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,440
stand up did they pass a law did the

984
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,000
congress make a pronouncement no none of

985
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:16,640
that happened what happened was a group

986
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,359
of ordinary people

987
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,680
were able

988
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,920
to change their own consciousness and

989
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,200
when they got

990
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,000
when you got to 10 of them

991
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,320
then the whole culture began to

992
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:33,040
accommodate for that and i'll give you

993
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:34,160
one more

994
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:38,000
uh and that is that's this is how gandhi

995
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,280
got independence from for india without

996
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,720
a war

997
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:44,880
they asked him just before he was

998
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,240
assassinated in 1948

999
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:50,400
a reporter from the times of india went

1000
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,520
up to see him at his ashram

1001
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:55,200
so there he is sitting in his little

1002
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:58,560
dodie with his little spinning wheel

1003
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,280
and he's the reporter said my editor has

1004
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:03,040
only one question i'm supposed to ask

1005
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:04,400
you and gandhi said well what's the

1006
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:05,760
question

1007
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,880
and he said

1008
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:09,359
my editor wants to know how did you

1009
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,720
force

1010
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,079
the british

1011
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,800
to leave india and give it independence

1012
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,560
without a war

1013
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,160
how were you able to do that one of the

1014
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:20,400
most powerful nations on earth at that

1015
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,599
time

1016
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:23,839
how did you get it to give up its most

1017
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,640
cherished colonial possession

1018
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:29,040
and gandhi's answer was

1019
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,880
it's not what we did that mattered

1020
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,800
although that mattered

1021
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,720
it's not what we said that mattered

1022
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:36,560
although it did matter

1023
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:40,000
it was the nature of our character our

1024
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:41,440
beingness

1025
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,119
that led the british to choose

1026
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,119
to leave india

1027
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:49,599
and so the answer to the question is

1028
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:51,680
if we can get 10

1029
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,280
of the population or more of course

1030
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:57,440
to focus for instance on the

1031
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:00,960
preservation of democracy

1032
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:03,200
it will survive

1033
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,800
and if we don't

1034
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:06,319
it may not